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Brian Villanueva's avatar

"did I mention that deficits attract foreign capital Inflow which pushes up the value of the dollar and does no favors for manufacturing output that Noah likes."

Thomas, I mentioned this question on one of your comments on a Noah post some days ago but I don't think you saw it.

Your macro is far better than mine. How much do you think this is really happening to the USD today? Macro theory says that large trade imbalances and large deficits should both cause a currency to appreciate, and yet our trade deficit has run about 3% annually and our govt deficit has tripled in the last 10 years with little effect on our currrency.

The preppers all think we're standing on an economic ice shelf that's ready to collapse, but my grandfather thought the same thing from 1975 until he died 20 years later. Is the theory wrong? Am I wrong about what is says? Is it just a case of "in the long run we're all dead"? Are we being insulated by our reserve currency status? By something else?

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Auros's avatar

Unfortunately a carbon tax seems to be completely impossible to accomplish, as a matter of politics. I completely agree that if you want to reduce the deficit (which we should) a carbon tax is a better choice in theory than almost anything else. I am a metaphorical card-carrying member of the Pigou Club. But AFAIK everywhere that has tried to impose a reasonable version -- high enough to actually make a difference -- has seen the public revolt. (The notable examples I know of are Australia, where rejection of the carbon tax was part of what swept in a truly terrible rightist government, and Washington state in the US.)

Some kind of cap-and-trade (either annual auctions, or permanent tradable permits that have a small annual fee attached, and that "shrink" over time as the cap comes down) seems like it might more plausibly be accomplished, and arguably is a better idea, since it allows the actual price to float to whatever level will accomplish the appropriate quantity reduction, and science is better equipped to estimate the relationship between the quantity of emissions and impact on climate, than to guess at what price will be necessary to accomplish a given amount of reductions. Maybe use the money for a mix of deficit reduction and rebates, to buy public support. (California does an annual climate rebate, and while it doesn't help with folks who are actively climate denialists, it does seem to help with the broad middle of low-information voters, and it seems like getting low-info people to broadly agree that climate change _is a thing_ helps make GOP deniers look crazy, hence helping to maintain California's Dem super-majority. Of course if the GOP wanted to embrace folks like Steve Poizner and move back to the center, I'm sure they could significantly cut into that super-majority. But so far the whole party has just kept driving out its moderates, marching ever farther off into Cloud Cuckoo Land.)

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